Interview with 'the Folks', Part Three
channeled on December 12, 2005; checked for updates on February 14, 2009;

On Febr. 22, 2010 , I checked the file, especially the chapter "Embedded Denial Release" for updates,
after it was, since Febr. 19, 2010 , included in the new Denial Pages -
"an index that lists the more prominent places on the site where denial energy is discussed and the various ways of releasing it are described."
The title of the first chapter (see below), that had been missing so far, is now: DENIAL ENERGY.
At the end appears a long new insert under the title "ABANDON THE PART?"

Channelers note: If you haven't already,
please first read part one and part two of this interview
and the channelers' note at the top of that page.
In addition to what is stated in our note there,
we'd like to mention that while they are two essences speaking as one,
'the Folks' refer to themselves individually as 'Spirit' and 'the Mother.'
Also, please read or re-read Grandfather Remembers Original Heart.
The channeling on this page is in part an elaboration and continuation of the material on that page.

February 2009, continuation I want to savor three more images of the sweet scene with the step-siblings before the beginning of the storm.... The descent into Hell on that Eve of Shabbat, February 6, 2009, began after dinner and after Immanuel had taken his guitar. The beginning of our singing was beautiful, but then someone wanted to sing 2 songs, which were not in "Singing Together". Tomer rushed to download the songs, and Efrat - always jumpy and eager to get up from any sitting - rushed to print them. She handed me the prints, since I take responsibility for adding familiar but not yet printed songs to the 4 folders of "Singing Together", and then - without any apology or at least explanation that "right now she needed to hang up the laundry" - disappeared ~~~ Tomer - not yet at peace with me and feeling too exposed now to go on singing - jumpy already before - escaped to his room, and Immanuel was left all alone playing and singing, since I - sitting opposite of him - didn't know (or like) the first song at all: "Shuv hee kaan - Again she is here" -with Yoni Rechter or Marina Maximilian and the second - so popular in Israel - only now began to pierce my mind: "dma'ot shel mal'akhim -Tears of Angels" - Ester Ofarim or Yoni Rechter & Judith Ravitz Tears of angels, silent tears, beautiful and sad tears tears run down on the horizon and search what do they search for? For when the angels weep in another world, then in this world it's sadder for us, Tears of angels, why do they weep, the angels? Perhaps because it is not easy to be an angel in such a sad world... And we too, here, want to weep, to weep together with them - what can we do? We want to weep, but the tears don't run down, don't run down. February 15, 2009, In order to imprint the lesson of that Shabbat even deeper in my memory, I decided to learn both songs by heart. As to the weeping angels - in the Right Use of Will books it's told, why angels are spirit creatures, without Will, i.e. without feelings, and since they are also without Body, they probably don't know how to cry. What justifies the sad song, though, is a verse in the Bible, Isaiah 33, 7 [see my page : The Second Lebanon War] "The Angels of Peace weep bitterly" See beautiful images of angels in the Song "Peace be to you -Angels of Peace" and in "The Angel's Camp at the Salt Sea" As to the song "Again she is here" - while trying to get used to the tune, which is so difficult for me, - it suddenly hits me, that the lyrics might imply a metaphor for "The Mother" , God's Desire/Will/Feeling, his "mate", as he calls her: Again she's here lyrics: Eli Mohar, tune: Joni Rechter Again she's here and again everything looses shape, confused and beautiful she has not changed one bright day she left and now she has returned makes me tremble with fright, drives away serenity For with her as always there's no past nor future, only the passing moment does not return, beautiful, painful, and everything is suddenly different, stormier, faster, more beautiful, different Again she's here and again everything is like from the beginning again I stand in front of her without saying a word like her bright smile opposite that laughter the parting seems suddenly like a remote dream For with her as always there's no past nor future,   Images: "Wild Woman" (Internet) - Efrat during the Chanuka-celebration in Mika's kindergarden, Dec. 2008

Channelers:

Hello again Folks.
In the last part of this interview you mentioned
that we should ask you directly about
how to release embedded denial energy.
What else can you tell us about denial energy in general,
and more specifically how to release it?

Denial Energy

"There have been many misconceptions about the presence of denial in Creation.
For a very long time it seemed obvious that since it was here, it belonged here.
So in previous recovery attempts We tried to include it,
and each time We experienced devastating reversals.
Believing that it belonged here was not wrong,
it just wasn't the whole truth of the situation.

"It's important to remember
that everything we've been experiencing in this Creation
is the working out of  O r i g i n a l   H e a r t 's intention

that there be more than the one whole being~~~

that complete wholeness be experienced

by two or more whole beings who are peers,

each whole in their own right.

That original desire,

the desire for another like Self,

the desire for companionship with other whole beings
could be fulfilled only in the context of duality,
where there can be more than one.
Evolutionary manifested existence as we know it
has been the ongoing fruition of the duality
unfolding from the explosion of Original Heart.

Continuation of coping with another explosion of "Embedded Denial"

Smile , without a reason why Love as if you were a child smile , no matter what they tell you don't listen to a word they say for life is beautiful that way ...there's still another game to play

I attached a Word document with the quotes from C.G. Jung and from Godchannel

"When We emerged through the void into manifestation,
the energy of the void was disturbed,
and We brought some of that energy with us into this Creation.
And this was not wrong either.
As you know, the energy of the void is the energy of negation.
The presence of negation,
the presence of denial in manifestation
has enabled us to experience
the tension between existence and nonexistence
and between acceptance and nonacceptance.
This has been necessary to our present mission
of finding and helping back into wholeness all of the lost Will,
including the fragments who have been lost since Original Heart,
before the Grandparents' initial Creation.
[As to "Lost Will" see all the pages mentioned in Google-Search!]

"A positive effect of the tension
caused by the denial and negation of our deepest values
has enabled us in recent times
to find a number of the Mother's parts
that were lost in Original Heart's split into two separate essences,
Spirit essence and Desire essence.
In opening this Creation to denial energy
we unknowingly replicated the splits in the Mother essence
that occurred before the Grandparent's original Creation.

"Now that we know about the deeper gaps existent before We emerged,
and that Our emergences through the void was an important part of Grandfather's plan,
we can understand
how the gaps here in this Creation have made it possible for us
to locate the most lost and isolated fragments of the Mother essence in all Creations~
even back to Original Heart's explosion,
before there was any manifestation at all.
There are still many lost parts of the feminine essence
that have never experienced contact with the main body of the Mother in manifestation.
They are still suffering the intense pain of isolation
with only unloving light
and very dim memory of their long lost union with Love in Original Heart.

"Working together with Our human collaborators,
we are now finding these previously lost parts
and healing the gaps between them and the rest of the Mother essence.
This healing is possible
because some of the humans who have been doing this work with Us
know how to release the denial energy
that has kept the fragments of lost Will separate from each other
and from the parental part of the Mother.

"While it is possible to find these lost parts through the acceptance of denial,
it is not possible to help them heal
with denial energy still holding open the gaps in the Mother essence.
Denial will eventually overpower and consume acceptance if it is approached directly.

"Another misconception has been
that the denial energy that humans experience
is a reflection of their own denials.
'What have I been denying?'
is not the best question to ask yourself.

"A much better question is,
'How have I been affected
by the universal denial energy
that has been present since before Creation?'


" The main point here is that you are innocent.
You are not to blame for the denial you uncover in yourself.

'Any denial you find now
has been here since long before you became human.
Any denying you've done in this lifetime
has been only a reflection of what was already here.
Please release any judgments about your own denials,
and look kindly upon what has been denied with your loving acceptance.

"Acceptance is what heals, brings together.
Denial is what separates, pushes apart.

"This is Our final recovery attempt.
It is time now that we bring together all of the Mother essence.
This means healing the gaps that have been keeping her fragmented.
Releasing the denial energy [4steps to wholeness>third step] that has been holding these gaps open
is the quickest, easiest and least painful way to do the healing work.

"While it has not been wrong that denial energy has been here,
it is no longer appropriate to allow it to have the upper hand, the final word.
To fulfill the role of healer,
identify as the Spirit essence in yourself and stop denying.
Then release any denial energy that has been preventing you
from loving back into wholeness all the parts of your universal, whole Self~
paying special attention to the deeply lost Mother essence
that has been suffering so intensely since before the beginning of Creation.

Watch these beautiful steps down into a compound, the purpose of which I don't know.
As I discovered later: above the upper step there still can be seen the rectangular holes, which held the posts of a gate

How to Release Embedded Denial
[on Sept.4, 2012 , I discovered a video in which John Pateros (ProcessCoaching) demonstrates "Deap Denial Release"
See also John's article: Releasing Denial Energy

Channelers' note:
The following practice is a continuation of the previous material on Embedded Denial Energy.
For better understanding of this practice,
please read this small section [about Embedded Denial Energy in the second interview] again before continuing here.
And for an overview of denial energy in general, please read the third step to wholeness.

2009_02_09: As I said in the section about Embedded Denial in the second interview: I suddenly understand something, yet the embedded denial which I see, is not directly in myself, but in another person, my daughter-in-love, who so far has been incapable of loving herself. Her bravery of having placed herself in my presence and by that very fact having caused plenty of "opportunities" to judge and hate herself even more, this bravery seems to have broken down now. I understand very well and have learnt to do, what You advise here: to stay in some distance from this part of the Mother, which in case of its identity as another person, means: in distance from the person, but I don't understand, how the "embedded denial energy", which I detect in another person, can be in my own body, as You seem to imply, In the fourth Interview with the Folks in the Chapter "True Human Greatness", YOU say explicitly: whatever you see as 'another' is only a reflection of a part of yourself that you have projected outside of yourself. "When you own the outer reflection, either 'positive' or 'negative,' large or small, you bring another part of yourself from the shadow into the light. Whenever you take ownership of something that has been outside of yourself, you take back the outer reflection, bringing that part into yourself, where it belongs." But I still don't understand, how I can "take back" the embedded denial which I discern in others!!! ]

"As We mentioned,
embedded denial energy
has further complicated the plight of many of the most lost fragments of Mother essence.
Although there are some instances where specific inner guidance is vital,
the general method of release is to first find Us inside of you.
Feel the Mother holding you in her warm, supportive embrace.

"Next, find the place in your body
where you feel the pain of the lost part most intensely.
And then imagine
that the lost fragment of Mother essence that is experiencing this pain
is floating in space.
It's okay to imagine her in whatever form comes to mind.

"While feeling the pain in yourself,
also feel the Mother's loving presence holding you and nurturing you.
You are the healer,
and you are being held
by the healed, parental part of the universal feminine essence.
Her Spirit, Loving Spirit is all around you both.

"Now imagine you and We are all together in space,
some distance from the part of the Mother with embedded denial.
Move us all closer to her and notice what happens.
At a certain point of closeness she will indicate that we're too close.
Back us away until the part is okay with the distance.

"From this distance, notice
that some of the denial energy that has been embedded in her
is now flaking off or otherwise available for release.
Use the subtle denial release to remove any denial energy that is ready to return to the void.

"After the denial energy that was available for release
is gone,
the three of us move closer again
until the fragment indicates we're too close.
When we feel her discomfort,
we back off again and release more denial, if possible."

"Repeat this process whenever you feel the pain of the lost part in yourself.
You can also do this whenever you feel moved to do some healing work.
You can check in with Us and the lost part,
move us closer,
release subtle denial,
and back away again until the part feels good about the distance.

"The most important healing resource to cultivate in yourself for working with embedded denial
is ~~~ patience.
Patience is the easy acceptance of whatever is happening in the moment,
in this case
the slow
and gradual
healing into wholeness
of some of the Mother's most vital and important parts.

Watch not only the reflections of the sky in the small waterhole , but the wasps in and outside the little tunnel, which leads to the round ditch

"Patience is helpful here for two reasons.
First, it will enable you to be present
with loving acceptance
for the lost part of Mother essence
and the fact of the denial energy embedded in her~
without feeling the need to push in any way
or 'fix' it
to make it different.
Any pushiness on your part would be felt as a perpetration,
and cause her to withdraw from your light.
[See again pp35: Following Will's and Body's lead]

"Second, patience will enable you to drive backwards
and be okay with the process taking as long as it does.
Daily contact with the lost Will trapped by embedded denial
will eventually pay off in her healing.
[But daily contact in the case of my daughter-in-love will NOW, after the terrible explosion of Lost Will on Febr. 7, 2009,
be NOT healing at all , or so I fear! -
On Febr. 13 my son called, saying, that everything was fine, and that I'm asked to be present as usual during his next flight - from Febr. 16-20 -
"but only for my daughter's sake, not for me", as my son quoted my daughter-in-love, adding the advice: "let her get down from the tree!"]
However, in linear time
it could take days,
weeks
and even months
of patient attention
before she's ready
to fully receive our loving acceptance.
Please stay tuned with Us on the inside for more guidance here.

"When working with embedded denial,
as in all phases of the healing work,
it's important to remember
that you are not the part of yourself or the Mother that has been in pain.
In some cases the pain can be felt so intensely
that you believe it's all there is to you~
the pain, judgments and other denial energy in the imprint that has been triggered.
The truth is
that the pain is being experienced by a helpless part of yourself
that has its roots in a deeply lost part of the Mother.

"You, however, are not this part.
It is a part of you, for sure, however
Your true identity is the healer of the pain,
not the victim of it.
You are the one who brings the help.
It may seem incredible
that as a human being you are being called upon
to heal the oldest, deepest, and most painful wounds in Creation.
And yet who else could do this work?

[Again, it disturbs me very much, that YOU seem to imply,
that the Mother's "embedded denial", which I see in another person, is in myself.
If it were in myself, your advice would be easy to follow!]

It seems, that the major part of the following chapter - with the title "Abandon the Part" ,
was channeled only 4 years later and inserted on February 19, 2010

Abandon the Part?

Thank you very much, Folks.
Some of us have had great resistance to abandoning the suffering part, once we've become aware of the pain.
The strong feeling is to stay identified with the previously lost part, or it will become lost again.
What can you tell us about this?

"What We have suggested
about not being solely the hurting part
and dis-identifying from the imprint
can often feel to these parts of the Mother in you
that you are denying the Mother's pain.
She has craved your conscious connection, and now she has it.
Even though you are both suffering,
to leave identification with her can feel like abandonment,
even if temporarily to get more help.

"The way to work with this is to stay with the hurting part
with all of your sentient awareness and some of your consciousness~~~
while you work
to become identified as the loving healer with the rest of your conscious awareness.
You can do this by seeing the part as separate from you, the healer~~~
while you continue feeling her pain.
This will give you the brief separation
needed to become more loving and resourceful
so you can return to the pain with a different kind of consciousness
than what's been available in the imprint.

"To heal yourself at the personal layer of process,
you identify yourself as the loving, resourceful, parental healer.
You then bring the strength of your loving acceptance
to all of the lost and denied parts of yourself
who have been trapped in their never-ending traumas.

"To heal your whole being at the transpersonal layer of process,
you identify yourself as loving Spirit.
And then you bring the strength of your loving acceptance
to the parts of the Mother
who have been trapped without loving Light for near eternity~~~
and as loving Spirit,
you solemnly pledge your steadfast allegiance to the parental Will of the Mother."

"As the loving and resourceful healer,
you will now be able to bring your loving consciousness back to the pain.
Without a brief separation of some of your conscious awareness
so you can come back with your loving acceptance,
the only spirit or conscious presence available is the old, unloving light
that has been stuck in the imprint since its first trauma eons ago.

[The last passage was channeled already in Dec. 2006]

"The roots of these wounds are cosmic.
The original traumas
that first created the imprints
you are now experiencing
occurred long before there were humans,
and the deepest traumas occurred even before the formation of the Earth
[old version: and many even before the formation of the Earth] .
And yet as a human, like it or not, this is your right place~~~
you are the healer of Creation.
It cannot be overstated,
the greatness of fully awake humans,
aware of both the depth of their Will essence
and the healing power of love.
The denial of your greatness as a human being,
the healer of Creation~~~
is now the most serious impediment to the healing work."

Okay Folks, thank you very much.

Channelers' note: This interview continues...

Interview with the Folks, Part Four

Channelers' note: This interview continues
Interview with the Folks , part Four

Continuation of the pictures of my "Tomer-less" hike as background to the "Learning Experience with 'Embedded (Self-)Denial' ", Febr.7, 2009)
in Interview with the Folks IV