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channeled on March 28, 2005
, checked for updates on February 4, 2009
[as to the "mythology" of "Godchannel"
see pp39 "Deity & Manifestation"]
On Febr. 22, 2010 , I checked the last
chapter "Embedded Denials" for updates,
after it was, since Febr. 19, 2010 , included
in the new Denial
Pages -
"an index that
lists the more prominent places on the site where denial energy
is discussed and the various ways of releasing it are described."
Channelers note: If you haven't already,
please first read part one of this
interview
and the channelers' note at the top of that page.
In addition to what is stated in our note there,
we'd like to point out that even though they are two essences speaking
as one,
'the Folks' refer to themselves individually as 'Spirit' and 'the
Mother.'
Desire and Denial
Channelers:
Hello again Folks,
in part one of this interview you
mentioned the Mother's three desires...~~~
the end of suffering,
the return of all her lost parts to wholeness,
and the realization of her dream.
It seems there are many more desires than these.
What can you tell us about other desires?
Spirit and the Mother:
"Desire is the essence
of Will,
and the Mother is parental Will.
So, her desires are parental.
However,
non-parental Will has been the most prevalent kind of Will in humans.
"Non-parental
Will has had the desire to escape
from the pain and suffering of the Will polarity
by bonding directly with certain parts of Spirit."
"In the past Spirit's denials
made him all too happy
to have the comfort and reflections of magnetic essence
that would align with him on his terms.
"Although non-parental Will has
been called 'Daughter,'
it is properly part of the Mother's Heart.
"The splitting off of Daughter
was particularly devastating to the Mother,
because when she separated,
she took with her the Mother's youthful beauty and vitality.
Most nonparental Will separated from the Mother
to avoid her pain,
and particularly the suffering of her lost parts.
In doing this
she aligned with parts of Spirit
that had also been avoiding the Mother and her pain."
"Recently, as the healing work
progresses,
more and more Daughter presence has been maturing.
Her desire for healing
has opened the door
to her bonding with the Mother
and her parental desires.
Instead of continuing
to enjoy the pleasures of her power and privilege
as the consort of Spirit essence that opposed the Mother,
this part of Will is now aligning with the Mother.
In intending wholeness and choosing to end suffering,
Daughter, the Heart of the Mother in Body,
is now moving into the healer role in Creation.
"This is right place for Heart
because the result of complete wholeness
is the realization of the Mother's dream.
In the Mother's paradigm of free will for all beings,
parentalness is no longer necessary.
In the realization of the Mother's
dream,
Heart is king and queen,
and eternally safe to be and to play~~~
without fear of reversal.
Parentalness is necessary only now,
while there is still so much to heal."
Okay Folks, thank you.
You mentioned earlier that desire is the essence of Will.
What else can you tell us about this?
"Emotions are expressions
of desire,
and in the case of 'negative' emotions,
the expression of the denial of desire.
Deep under every denied emotion
is a desire that was denied first.
All of the pain and suffering in Creation
is a result of Spirit's denial of the Mother's essential self~~~
desire.
All pain is a result of desire's natural drawing power being thwarted
by denial.
"Desire becomes twisted when it is denied,
and it's in this twisting
that Lucifer and Ahriman
have gained their power over the Will.
But the twisting of desire didn't begin with the denials of Spirit.
It began with the Will being attacked by asuras
before Spirit was awake to his own existence."
The Original Denial of Desire
Thank you Folks.
What caused the Mother to be attacked by denial spirits?
"Before anything happened in manifestation,
the Mother was a unified field of indrawing, pulsating magnetic
essence.
She didn't 'know' anything about herself,
because she had only sentient awareness.
But she could feel herself,
and she enjoyed her pulsating
because she sensed it as desire to draw something to her,
even though she didn't know exactly what it would be.
Without the presence of consciousness,
she instinctively sensed that whatever it was,
it would in some way complete her and satisfy her
desire.
"Suddenly, she felt something
coming toward her,
and with rising joy she opened to receive it.
Her joy quickly turned to pain
when instead of her desire being fulfilled as she'd
expected,
she received a terrible blow of denial energy
that hurt her deeply.
Stunned and in shock, she closed herself~~~
but now with the burning hatred of an asura deep inside of her.
"That asura, and the many that
followed it
used the magnetic essence to empower their quest to return to oblivion.
Whenever she tried to open or move,
more intense denial energy was drawn to her.
Caught in manifestation,
denial's goal became to use the Mother's own essence to destroy
her~~~
so she would never again disturb them with her pulsing movement."
Yikes Folks, thank you.
What happened as a result of these attacks?
"With repeated asuric attacks,
the Mother began to fragment.
It was of course desire
that drew the asuras and their intense denial energy to her.
Some of the asuras found themselves in the gaps between fragments
of the Mother,
and others became so deeply embedded
in the Mother's magnetic essence
that they have become enmeshed with her,
gradually grinding down her ability to move at all.
In these instances,
the Mother's essence has become frozen and cut off from all Light.
"From one unified field of pulsating,
enticing cosmic desire
opening to receive its completion and fulfillment,
the Will of Creation became split into three fundamental fragments.
"The singular, core desire is
the desire for loving union.
Three fragments of the previously unified magnetic desire essence
resulted from the repeated attacks of denial energy~~~
"the desire for the freedom
to have and do what she wants and not what she doesn't,
"the desire for the peace of security from attack,
"and her primary desire, the desire for loving union with Light.
"Denial further twisted the desire
for freedom of Will
into the emotion of rage~~~
the reaction to the injustice of something thwarting her free Will.
"The desire for peace and security became twisted into terror~~~
the loss of peace and security.
"And the asura's denial energy twisted the desire for love
into grief~~~
the loss of love and wholeness.
"A gap quickly emerged between
the terror and rage fragments.
The Mother turned against herself
as her terror triggered her rage
and the rage triggered more terror.
There was nothing to fight against but herself,
and nothing to fear but her own movement.
The denial spirits were getting their way.
The Mother became more and more still~~~
as she learned
that even the slightest movement caused her more pain and damage.
"When Spirit finally did show
up,
he wasn't much help.
To him, the Mother seemed to be full of problems
and possessed of an evil disposition.
Nonetheless,
Spirit was attracted by what was still left of the Will's magnetic
drawing power.
When the opportunity arose,
the Mother moved to draw Spirit completely into herself.
"Unbelievably intense ecstasy
flooded Us both
as We merged in Divine union.
Deeply united in each other,
We remembered Our union as Original Heart.
But all of this lasted only a moment.
"As he burrowed deeply into the
Mother's essence,
the presence of denial energy alarmed a part of Spirit.
Feeling he was about to be consumed by something that hated him,
Spirit instinctively revved up his energy
to escape the Mother's hold on him.
The resulting explosion finished the destructive
work of the asuras.
The sudden increase in Light broke through the enclosing Will essence,
severely fragmenting the Mother
and sending most of her parts far away from each other~~~
as Spirit's Light receded back into the darkness."
Thank you Folks.
So the Will's desire for union with Spirit brought her intense ecstasy,
and then sudden, tragic reversal?
"Yes, the core of all desire
is the Mother's desire for ecstatic union with loving Light.
The fulfillment of this desire without denial
begets New Heart~~~ and loving manifestations.
The ongoing opening of this desire
and the willing fulfillment of it
with the unconditional acceptance of loving Light
brings the end of suffering,
the wholeness of Will and therefore being,
and the realization of the Mother's dream.
Healing Desire
Okay Folks, thank you.
How do you suggest we work with desire by way of healing?
"Every imprint has denied desire
at its core.
The healing begins
when you have released enough denial energy
and brought enough acceptance to an emotion
that you can feel
the desire under
it.
"Ask Us to help you feel under the emotional energy~~~
to the denied desire that is beneath it.
As with emotions,
first release the denial energy that has
twisted the desire.
"When you can feel the unfulfilled desire begin
to move,
bring your loving acceptance to it.
You are then loving your desire just as it is,
unfulfilled edginess and all.
"As you bring unconditional acceptance to your unfulfilled
desire
on the personal level,
on the transpersonal level
Spirit is bringing his loving Light to the part of the Mother
whose desire was originally rejected.
Winter in Tirol, Austria |
Alnmouth Harbour, Northumberland,
United Kingdom |
Goreme Valley, Cappadocia,
Turkey |
Killarney, Ireland |
"As you feel into
your desire,
drop down to its deepest layer~~~
the desire to be loved.
Your Spirit essence is now loving your Will's deepest desire,
and in doing so the desire becomes activated.
Activated desire is the most powerful drawing force in Creation.
It brings you what you want.
This is the root cause of manifestation~~~
desire activated by loving Light manifests what is desired.
The key is
in fully feeling and loving your desire just as it
is in the moment, unfulfilled."
Bang Pa-In Royal Palace, Ayutthaya
Province, Thailand |
Los Grillos Islands, San Blas Archipelago, Panama |
Cottage at Dornie, Lochalsh,
Scotland |
Donner Lake at Sunrise, California |
Thank you Folks.
Are there some desires that are best left unfulfilled?
"All desires are worthy of fulfillment.
The issue is not which desires to love and accept and which to reject.
Desire is the core of all sentience, all feeling.
Any rejected desire is the rejection of a part of the Mother.
In the recovery of all lost Will,
all denied desire must come back into love.
"The issue is in the sequence of recovery.
At this stage of the healing work,
the Mother's parental desires come first.
Finding the Will to heal
is the first priority in desire fulfillment.
"When the Mother's core desires
are activated with loving acceptance,
healing happens.
When the Mother's essence is whole in you,
parentalness is no longer needed.
All the nonparental desires can then find their loving fulfillment.
Manifestation is meant to be a playground
where being and doing are fun,
not like it is now for most humans~~~
a prison where it's believed forced labor is required for survival.
The fulfillment of all desire,
both parental and nonparental
is the foundation of the Mother's core parental desire,
the realization of her dream."
River Coupall, Glen Coe, Scotland |
Southern Elephant Seals, Allardyve Range, South Georgia Island |
Kaysersberg Village, France |
Berchtesgaden and Mount Watzmann, Germany |
Embedded Denial Energy
[On Shabbat, February 7, 2009_02_07
with E and me, in the presence of T, I, M
I could - for the first time somehow intuit this crux of this info
As to the advice which follows it - I've been applying it consistently
for the last 2 years - most of the time...
Can it be, that the extreme self-hatred = self-denial, which - in
my so beautiful daugther-in-love - pains me endlessly,
even at times when it does not explode in rage and hatred against
everyone around her, is Embedded
Denial Energy?
[See also
pp35 "Following Will's and
Body's Lead", which since many years has helped me in how
to encounter "The Mother" in
my daughter-in-love ]
It was, as if I had - already 2 days before - been guided, to re-read
this page while inserting the "journey".
And so it happened, that when I hit the bottom of pain, or so it
seemed, the re-activating click made the computer open on this very
chapter.
If I should ever forget the - exemplary - situation, which
became en-lightened by this info
- I may open my German "Communication
with Deity" , quoted at the end of the sequence, which
I came to call "A Learning Experience with Embedded Denial"]
Okay Folks, thank you
very much.
Earlier you mentioned a kind of denial energy
that has become enmeshed with lost parts of the Mother.
What else can you tell us about this?
"Embedded denial is the reason
the Mother's most lost parts
have not yet returned to wholeness
with the rest of her essence,
and this kind of denial has been the most difficult issue in the
healing work.
This denial energy has become enmeshed with the magnetic essence,
and therefore it cannot be released as if it were free to leave
manifestation.
Directions |
Loch Garry, Scotland |
The Torre d´en Penjat, Minorca, Balearic Islands, Spain |
Himalayan Peaks, Tibet |
"Neither judgment
release nor asura release
can dislodge this kind of denial energy from the Mother's lost essence.
And subtle denial release
won't touch the intense denial energy
embedded in these parts of Will
until the denial begins to break away.
Embedded denial has found its way to the very core
of these lost parts,
as if it was their essence.
Any movement by the magnetic essence
causes more damage to the Will
and the denial energy becomes even more embedded.
Spiez Castle, Lake Thun, Switzerland |
Full Moon Rising Over Lake Tahoe, California |
Northern Hawk Owl, Finland
|
Kronotsky Volcano at Sunset, Kamchatka, Russia
|
"When the Will
essence can no longer move,
it can no longer draw light to itself
and becomes 'lost' to Spirit.
Some of this lost
Will essence
has become so impacted with embedded denial energy
that it resists any kind of light.
"The only way to succeed with this kind of denial
is to remain present at a distance
from the fragment with embedded denial.
Slow down your energy
and make your light (conscious awareness)
dim and diffuse.
"Your patient conscious
presence,
at a respectful distance and intensity,
2011- "hafred
um-khol" 
will eventually begin to erode some of the enmeshed
denial
and it will flake off in small shards
as it makes its way back to the void.
Say, "You may leave quietly now" to the bits of denial
as they loosen from the magnetic essence.
"In working with
this kind of denial energy,
it's important
that you have direct communication with the healed part of the Mother
and loving Spirit.
In working with this energy,
please ask Us on the inside
for our help and guidance
specifically for you and your situation."
Canoeing at Dawn |
Dunrobin Castle, Sutherland, Scotland |
Mother and Cubs, Valley of the Geysers, Kronotsky Zapovednik,
Russia |
Flower Patterns, Keukenhof Gardens, The Netherlands |
Okay Folks, thank you.
What is different about embedded denial
that it wants to remain bonded with the Mother
and not return to the void like the other kinds of denial energy?
"There is more to the story of
the asuric attacks on the Mother.
When Spirit had not yet fully emerged,
and the Mother first began to move,
a part of Spirit that was not yet conscious
sensed her movement as a disturbance.
"Your
ancient symbol of the yin and yang energies shows
that within each polarity there is a small touch of its opposite.
This is true of Spirit and Will as well.
There is some Desire present within Spirit essence,
and some Light present within Mother essence.
"When Spirit unconsciously felt disturbed,
an unconscious desire arose to stop the disturbance.
An asura immediately bonded with Spirit's desire to stop the movement
of Will.
"Without being aware of it happening,
a combination of Spirit's unconscious desire to not be disturbed
and intense denial energy flew out of Spirit and hit the Mother.
Now mixed with asuric energy,
Spirit's impulse to stop the disturbance
became the impulse to kill the source of the disturbance~~~
the Mother.
As the Mother sensed this energy coming toward her,
she sensed the presence of her Mate
and instinctively began to open to him.
"Although she quickly closed
as soon as she sensed the incoming denial energy,
some of it entered her essence.
"Because the asuric energy
had bonded with Spirit's unconscious desire,
the Mother was unable to prevent it
from further bonding with her own desire essence.
The presence of denial in her essence
turned the Mother against herself,
"and the situation has become further complicated
since these lost parts of the Mother
continue to draw more and more denial energy to themselves.
Male Bohemian Waxwing, Liminka,
Finland |
Schwangau, Bavaria, Germany |
Humpback Whales Bubble Feeding at Sunset, Chatham Strait,
Alaska |
Ancient City of Polonnaruwa, Sri Lanka |
"We are very happy
that some of you are now discovering
and willingly working with the most lost Will in Creation.
The liberation of the Mother's essence
in these fragments of Will embedded with denial
is the most significant recent development in the healing work.
The Mother's dream comes closer now,
as some of her most vital parts begin to return to wholeness with
her.
Again, please get specific guidance
directly from Us
about how to work with this energy."
Okay Folks, thank you very much.
Channelers' note:
This interview continues: Interview,
part Three
2010
2010_02_19
Denial Pages
(See the Channelers ' Notes:)
"an index that lists the more
prominent places on the site
where denial energy is discussed
and the various ways of releasing it are described."
Denial Energy
Overview
The Asuras Lucifer
Ahriman
Judgment Release
Deep Denial Release
Embedded Denial Energy [s.
above] Embedded
Denial Release
On February 22, 2010 I've checked
all the links above for new updates.
Some of them, like "The Asuras", "Deep Denial Release"
(formerly called: Sacrifice) and "Embedded Denial Release"
in "Interview with the Folks, III" -
now appear with far-reaching changes.
New: The
Psychopathic Killer New: The
Torturer [since Sept.2, 2012 inserted underneath p.
128 of the Orange book]
Interview
with the Folks: The Destroyer
The Destroyer
and the Mother's Love
New: Loving Lucifer
2010_03_18
I want to repeat what I learnt from restudying the chapter about
"Embedded Denial" in the "Second Interview with the
Folks" on this page:
"....The
presence of denial in her essence
turned the Mother against herself"...
[there
it is:
embedded denial is actually fierce self-denial, ferocious self-hatred]
2010_03_22
2 days ago my friend Yanina introduced me to the movie
"The
White Ribbon".
I watched several trailers and "Best Scenes" on "youtube"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzBVvcCGt-U&feature=related
Best Scenes part 4 [horrifying-
both the man and the woman!]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTFVUzqgu8M&feature=related
.
Since some movies would upload very hesitantly, I was forced
to see the horrifying scenes in slow motion.
This morning I breathed-moved-sounded my unbearable emotions, while
turning around wildly in my bed.
The author Michael Haneke doesn't seem to know, why people "are
like that", nor how it can be changed.
At first I was angry at him, angry also at Yanina for having thrown
me into feelings, which I didn't "need".
As to the triggering of my personal history (having victimized myself
to my mother and to my husband)
it wasn't too bad - I really have healed the most part of this.
But then I understood, that now, that I'm free from my "dictators"
[s. How I learnt to Live March 13, 2010]
i.e. free to feel what I enjoy (see SongGame
2007_03_30)
I am also free to vibrate the Lost Will of Creation, as it cries
out in this exemplary, symbolic White Ribbon.
I now felt driven to re-study "Finding
the Will to Heal" and the teaching which reinforced
the previous line:
"Trapped Will has hated free
Will
for going off in search of more freedom,
and so readily abandoning her,
leaving her with what has trapped her."
.....
If the healing
work is to succeed, it is urgent that
....
free Will chooses to
move
from escaping mode to parenting mode.
.... (but)
going 'to the rescue'
of trapped Will
has too often been a way of becoming trapped.
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